Arthur Gibbs' WW1 service revolver, Mark V Webley revolver, serial number 134554
Family might be interested to see these pictures of AG's service revolver, with his name A Gibbs engraved on it. AG joined the East Surrey Regiment (today existing under the umbrella of The Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment), on 26 Feb 1915 and transferred into the then newly formed Welsh Guards on 9 Sep 1915. I came by the photos in 2014 when I was enquiring with Welsh Guards about AG's Military Cross.
The photos had been sent to Welsh Guards in 2006 by a retired US lawyer / gun enthusiast, living in San Francisco; he had come across the gun when invited by another gun enthusiast to 'have a play' with it. The first mentioned gun enthusiast had been interested by the engravings on the butt of the gun, photographed it, and wrote to Welsh Guards regimental HQ in London to see if he could find out anything about it. In 2006 the regimental HQ was unable to help but in 2014 gave me copies of the correspondence (including the photos) and I was able to speak to the retired US lawyer, then still living in San Francisco.
I wondered in 2014 how the gun happened to be in the USA in the ownership of a gun enthusiast; and at around the time saw Emma Turner (nee Gibbs) one day, and showed the photos to her. She said, 'I know exactly how it came to be in America; Daddy took it there and sold it!'. So the supposition is that that AG would have come home from WW1 and taken up civilian and family life, married Barbar, etc, etc, and when it was David's turn to go to war in the 1940s AG would have said to him, David, take my gun. David did so, survived WW2, returned home, married, had two daughters, divorced and emigrated to America to live in New York where (I suppose) he sold it and the gun worked its way from owner to owner to arrive in San Francisco in 2006.
I'm having a go at finding it. It's a needle in a haystack but internet and www make it just bearable / possible where it would have been plainly ridiculous twenty years ago.
|Keelings, Christmas 1974|
|Missing: Alice, Luke, Viv, Art, Dulcie; Kate, Will, Jasper, Monty (came to cricket); Harry Harriet, Florence; Archie, Lucy; Jasper, Zak|
On the Keeling team were Simon, Tom, Jim, Paul Sr (on-field captain), Poppy, Ted, Arthur, Edward, JJ, Fred and Kev. Josh was off games, Harry had other engagements, the perfidious Trev Sr played for Sedlescombe, Trev Jr and Ruth were scorers.
Lake Windermere, Davos, Sedlescombe, The Oast House, Hurst House, Eton, Zermatt, Dolphins, Venice, 11 Albert Place, Pollurrian Cornwall, Jacobs Farm (Oct 30 1971), Ladycross, Ampleforth
Fishing with trammel net.
The move in to Jacobs and some amateur building there.
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|Gibbs family tree. Click to enlarge|
Main characters in the script are(1) George Gibbs (adult in 1799)
(2) George Gibbs 1802-1879
(6) Annie Dafforne Gibbs 1841-1924
(7) George Gibbs ~1842-1910
(8) John Gibbs ~1842-1909
(9) Ellen Sarah Gibbs 1843-1930
(10) Alice Gibbs 1845-1924
(3) John Gibbs ~1805-1880
(4) Elizabeth (née Gibbs) Goulston ~b. 1808
(11) Susanah Brewer 1800-after 1840
(22) Susanna Maria Bolger b. late 1700s
(25) Alcina Brewer b. ~1804
(26) Edwin J.Brewer b. ~1803
(14) William Bolger Gibbs 1834-1925
(27) Elizabeth Nutting (Grandma Gibbs) 1835-1898
(37) John Nutting b. ~1810
(15) Elizabeth Gibbs b. 1836
(16) Mary Gibbs b. 1839
(18) Emily Gibbs b. 1841
(29) William Gibbs 1862-1944
(30) Annie Christina ~1864-1937
(31) Emily Mary b. 1866
(39) Margaret Elizabeth b. 1898
(40) Cecily Bucknall b. 1899
(32) Arthur Gibbs 1867
(33) Alice Gaskell (née Gibbs) b. 1869
(45) Florence Jessie Gibbs b. 1870s
(46) George Francis Gibbs b. 1870s
(47) Alice Maud Gibbs b. 1870s
(48) Edith Mabel Gibbs b.1879
The Gibbs Family and the Stock Exchange
(1) George Gibbs (adult in 1799)(1) George Gibbs married (5) Sarah Mitchell and had children (2) George (3) John (4) Elizabeth. (4A) Henry (4B) MARIA
In the Directory of 1799 he is described at "George Gibbs, Haberdasher 42 Whitechapel Road." In the Disco of 1811, he is described as "George Gibbs, Laceman and Haberdasher at the same address. In the 1816 and 1815 Directory is no longer mentioned. Presumably, therefore, he was either dead at that date, or had left Whitechapel. (letter from College of Arms May 16 1939 Ref no 1241 signed P.W. Kerr)
(2) George Gibbs 1802-1879(2) George Gibbs married Anna Dafforne (born , February 21st, 1813 died 24 Nov. 1882) and had children:
(6) Annie Dafforne.
(9) Ellen Sarah.
He was a Member of the Stock Exchange 1836-1879, the firm being known as George Gibbs & Son, jobbers in the Consols Market. In 1850 he lived at 6, St.Mary's Road, Peckham, (or Camberwell) and in 1856 at No. 20, St. Mary's Road. From 1857 to 1864 his address was Stoke Newington (perhaps the same as the following) and his other addresses were:
1864 to 1871 11 , Amherst Villas, Amherst Road, Hackney Downs (or Shacklewell)
1873/74 to 1877/78 7, Mitford Villas, Amherst Road.
1877/78 215, Amherst Road.
1878/79 5, Evering Road, Upper Clapton (or Hackney)
He was born on September 15th, 1802, at "Roadside" and baptized on October 17th,1802, at St. Mary's Church, Whitechapel. He died February 17th, 1879, aged 76, at 5, Evering Road, Upper Clapton, and left about £20,000.
From all accounts he was a bad-tempered bully. (32) Arthur Gibbs senior writes: "we never saw
any thing of him..... he was a bad tempered man and all his children were crushed and nervous and pale wrecks", and Aunt Alice Gaskell writes: "I believe their father was a tyrant and used to make the family move every three years".
(6) Annie Dafforne Gibbs 1841-1924(6) Annie Dafforne Gibbs was born on May 7th, 1841, at 16, Marlborough Road, old Kent Road, and died December 13th, 1924. Aunt Alice Gaskell writes: "I met all three sisters, Annie, Alice and Ellen at Reigate. Charming, delicate and old world".
(7) George Gibbs ~1842-1910(7) George Gibbs junior was a Member of the Stock Exchange 1868-1884. His Addresses were:
1878/79 - 1880/81 ... 5, Evering Road, Upper Clapton.
1881/82 - 1883/84 … 240, Evering Road.
Uncle William Gibbs remembers him as a pale, unhealthy man. He died on February 2nd, 1910, at The Shrubbery, South Park, Reigate.
(8) John Gibbs ~1842-1909(8) John Gibbs went to Australia, no good . He married Janet Craig, who died in 1905. He died December 14th, 1909, but I do not know if this happened in Australia or England. His daughter, Edith Mabel , was with him. The following was his family:
(44) John, who died as a baby.
(45) Florence Jessie.
(46) George Francis.
(47) Alice Maud.
(48) Edith Mabel, born 1879.
(49) Percy Edward died 1912 in a lift accident in the City.
(9) Ellen Sarah Gibbs 1843-1930(9) Ellen Sarah Gibbs, last survivor of the family of George Gibbs of Upper Clapton, Middlesex, was born on June 11th, 1843, at 16, Marlborough Road, old Kent Road, She died February 12th, 1930, aged 86 at her home The Shrubbery, South Park, Reigate, and is buried at Highgate Old Cemetery.
(10) Alice Gibbs 1845-1924(10) Alice Gibbs was born June 30th, 1845, at 10, Marlborough Terrace, Old Kent Road, and died September 15th, 1924.
(3) John Gibbs ~1805-1880(3) John Gibbs was born in 1805 or 1806 at "Roadside" and was baptized on February 16th, 1806, at St.Mary's Church, Whitechapel. He married (11) Susannah (spelling in 1851 Census) Brewer (born 1800 at Shoreditch, Middlesex) and had issue:-
(12) John Brewer, born at Kingsland, Middlesex.
(13) Susan. (?)
(14) William Bolger, born 1834.
(15) Elizabeth, born 1836.
(16) Mary, born 1839.
(17) George. (?)
(18) Emily, born 1841.
(19) Edwin G born, 1843.
Drake Jan Parton searched years 1824 to 1830 inclusive at Whitechapel, the Hackney and Shoreditch for marriage of John, but no success. College of Arms search see letter of May 20. 1938. Ref 1241
Secondly, he married his housekeeper (20) Harriet Richards, but had no children by her. She died at Norbiton on December 16th, 1912.
He was very musical and used to make church organs and pianos, living at 1, Bowyer Place, Walworth Road, Camberwell, but he was practically put out of business by Broadwoods. He died September 15th, 1880, at 1, Crescent Villas, Crescent Road, Norbiton.
(4) Elizabeth (née Gibbs) Goulston ~1808-????(4) Elizabeth married Joseph Goulston of Peckham Rye, an oiled silk manufacturer in the old Kent Road. He made his fortune out of balloons during the Crimean War. They had a son, Arthur Goulston, who married Jane Fuller. Arthur Goulston had a son, Arthur Goulston junior, who lived at Peckham Rye, became a doctor, married and went to live at Heavitree, near Exeter.
(4A) Henry. Baptized May 8. 1808. St Mary's Whitechapel
(4B) MARIA . Baptized Nov. 12. 1809 at St Mary's Whitechapel
(11) Susanah Brewer 1800-after 1840(11) Susanah Brewer (born 1800) was the daughter of (21) William Brewer (born about 1770) who married (22) Susanna Maria Bolger. William Brewer's father was of the firm of Brewer and Smith, very expert mould makers, who used to make the metal frames for the watermarks on the Bank of England notes, supplying these frames to Portals from before 1793 until 1863.
(22) Susanna Maria Bolger b. late 1700s(22) Susanna Maria Bolger was the daughter of (23) Dr. Bolger of Gravesend and Miss Godfrey Faussett of Nackington, near Canterbury.
(25) Alcina Brewer b. ~1804(25) Alcina Brewer was the daughter of (21) William Brewer and married, firstly, John D'Oyley
and, secondly, a man called Stevens.
(26) Edwin J.Brewer b. ~1803(26) Edwin J.Brewer son of (21) William Brewer was a Member of the Stock Exchange from 1825 to 1847. He lived at North Brixton and was in the office of his uncle (2) George Gibbs. [This seems to mean that his sister Susanah Brewer (11) married her uncle John Gibbs (3). He then married his housekeeper.]
(14) WILLIAM BOLGER GIBBS 1834-1925(14) WILLIAM BOLGER GIBBS was the son of (3) John Gibbs. He was born May 10th, 1834, at Bowyer Place, Camberwell and died August 16th, 1925, at his home Thornton, Beulah Hill, Upper Norwood, London, S.E., being buried in West Norwood Cemetery in the same grave as his wife and son (36) Godfrey Faussett Gibbs. He left about £90,000. On April 4th, 1860, he was married to (27) Elizabeth Nutting at St.Mark's, Kennington, by the Rev.Charles Hodgson and had issue:
(28) Elizabeth Nutting born 1860 or 1861 died January 22nd, 1935, "Aunt Lizzie".
(29) William born August 15th, 1862.
(30) Annie Christina died 1937.
(31) Emily Mary born 1866.
(32) ARTHUR born April 27th, 1867.
(33) Alice born September 29th, 1869.
(34) Edith Agnes died 1932.
(36) Godfrey Faussett born 1878 died 1899.
He entered his Uncle's (2 George Gibbs) office in 1849 and became a Member of the Stock Exchange in 1855 when he was 21 years old. He left his uncle after a short time and jobbed on his own in the Consols Market in such stocks as Red Sea Annuities, Navy Fives, New and Reduced, Cornish Mines.
In the year 1869- 70 he went into partnership with R.E.Tatham, forming the firm of Gibbs and
Tatham. He lived at the following addresses:
1851-60 ... 1, Bowyer Place, Camberwell.
1860-64 ... Portland Terrace, Clapham Road.
1865-72 ... 5, Rock Terrace, Talfourd Road, Camberwell (or Peckham)
1872-76 ... 13, The Gardens, Peckham Rye.
1877-90 ... Medina Villa, Knights Hill, Norwood.
1890-91 ... Moved to Thornton, Beulah Hill, Upper Norwood.
In his early days he used to ride to the City from Camberwell, and it is interesting to recall that in a book of Rules of the Stock Exchange dated 1848, which he had in his possession, Rule No. 2 read "Members must remove their spurs before entering the Stock Exchange."
He was a man with an extremely able and scientific brain, being greatly interested, for instance, in the theory of music (counterpoint), astronomy (he had a large telescope in his garden at Thornton), botany, microscopes, polariscopes, spectroscopes. I have one of his microscopes, also his gold watch with chronometer works. He was a great traveller and on one occasion persuaded the Captain of the ship to go a long way off his course so that a better view of an eclipse of the sun might be obtained.
I remember that he had a minute speck of radium which we were allowed to see as a great treat, but the room had to be darkened for several minutes before our eyes could see the tiny sparkle. The heavy brass spinning top for demonstrating the mixing of coloured discs and patterns was given to me by him.
His spirit was undaunted even near the end of his life when he was becoming infirm. He was
forbidden to leave his study, but was discovered crawling up the stairs on his hands and knees. My boyhood memories of him include: two boiled eggs for breakfast, a gooseberry tart on his birthday, unfailing punctuality, the snuffling noise at the back of his throat he would always make and boots with square toes. He was a small man, with light blue eyes.
(27) Elizabeth Nutting (Grandma Gibbs) 1835-1898(27) Elizabeth Nutting (Grandma Gibbs) daughter of (37) John Nutting, was born at 6.30 a.m. on September 21st, 1835, and was christened at St. Mark's Church, Kennington, November 6th, 1835. She died in 1898 and is buried in West Norwood Cemetery.
(37) John Nutting b. ~1810(37) John Nutting of Winterslow Place, Vassall Road, Brixton, married Ann Daunt of Kinsale, County Cork (Ann Daunt's mother was Anna Dennis) and had issue (27) Elizabeth, (38) John Daunt born December 13th, 1830, (39) Ann born September 16th, 1832, all christened at St. Mark's Church, Kennington, He was head clerk to a leather merchant in Bermondsey.
(15) Elizabeth Gibbs b. 1836(15) Elizabeth Gibbs daughter of (3) John Gibbs married Charles Nottingham, a musician, and had issue Wilson, a wrong 'un, and Bertha who married a man named Poole.
(16) Mary Gibbs b. 1839(16) Mary Gibbs daughter of (3) John Gibbs married Stanley Jones, a wrong 'un. Had no children.
(18) Emily Gibbs b. 1841(18) Emily Gibbs daughter of (3) John Gibbs married Albert Adams, an artist, and had no children.
(29) William Gibbs 1862-1944(29) William Gibbs eldest son of (14) William Bolger Gibbs. Born August 15th, 1862, at Portland Terrace, Clapham Road. Became Member of the Stock Exchange in 1883, joining his father's firm, Gibbs and Ta than. Godfather to Loveday Catherine Gibbs.
Died Feb. 24 1944, in a bus queue at Upper-Norwood, on his way to the City. It was a very cold morning and he had spent some of the previous night in an air raid shelter. He left £151,000
(30) Annie Christina ~1864-1937(30) Annie Christina, daughter of (14) William Bolger Gibbs. Married Stenton Covington of the Westminster Fire Office, who did a great deal in raising money to buy land to be kept in trust for the nation. Covington Way, S.W.16., is named after him as this borders Norwood Grove Recreation Ground which he was instrumental in buying. He lived at The Lodge, Gibson's Hill, S.E.19, and had peacocks in his garden.
(31) Emily Mary b. 1866(31) Emily Mary, daughter of (14) William Bolger Gibbs, born in 1866, married William Bucknall, an architect, lived at 45,Chestnut Road, S.E.27 and had issue (39) Margaret Elizabeth and (40) Cecily.
(39) Margaret Elizabeth b. 1898(39) Margaret Elizabeth, daughter of William and Emily Bucknall was born in Norwood, London, S.E., in 1898. In 1925 she married the Rev. C.Kingsley-Williams and had issue (41) John Bucknall born 1927 (42) Michael born 1929 (43) Mary Margaret born 1933.
(40) Cecily Bucknall b. 1899(40) Cecily, daughter of William and Emily Bucknall was born in Norwood, London, S.E. in 1899, about eighteen months after Margaret. In 1936 she adopted a girl called Hilary.
(32) Arthur Gibbs 1867(32) Arthur Gibbs, second son of (14) William Bolger Gibbs was born on April 27th, 1867 at 5, Rock Terrace, Talfourd Road, Camberwell (or Peckham). Educated at Dulwich College, he became a Member of the Stock Exchange in 1889, when he was 22 years old.
(33) Alice Gaskell (née Gibbs) b. 1869(33) Alice was born September 29th, 1869, at 5, Rock Terrace, Talfourd Road, Camberwell. On November 18th, 1905, she married John Berridge Gaskell, born April 3rd, 1866, the son of John Gaskell, who lived in Shipley, Yorkshire and who was a broker on the Leeds Stock Exchange. His mother was a Miss Berridge from Windsor whose forbears had had to do with the Royal Family, one of them having a post at Frogmore. At one time he worked with Sir Weetman Pearson, but left him to become Manager of the Milford Haven Estate for the National Provident Institution, which he did most successfully. His address was Clyst House, Milford Haven, and he died April 5th, 1925.
I remember him as a kind and generous man, with a rich but rather wheezy laugh. He was one of my first clients and had very neat handwriting.
(45) Florence Jessie Gibbs b. 1870s(45) Florence Jessie Gibbs, daughter of John Gibbs (8), was born in Australia on ____ and
married firstly an American who died secondly she married Harvey who obtained a commission in the Coldstream Guards and was killed at Poelcapelle in 1917. She had no children by either husband. She is living (1937) at Dryden, Berkhamsted. [She is not on the picture]
(46) George Francis Gibbs b. 1870s(46) George Francis Gibbs (known as Frank) [[not in picture, son of John Gibbs (8)] married Molly Green, and died in 1935. He had the following children:
(50) Basil George. i.e. George Basil, living at 270 West End Road, Ruislip in 1943
His mother was then living at Elm Trees, Leysdown. Isle of Sheppey.
(51) Philip Lionel.
(47) Alice Maud Gibbs b. 1870s(47) Alice Maud Gibbs [not in picture, daughter of John Gibbs (8)] married Custance and is living (1937) at Keswick, Cuffley Hill Road, Cuffley. 1939. 50 Plough Hill, Cuffley.
(48) Edith Mabel Gibbs b.1879(48) Edith Mabel Gibbs (known as Mabel) was born in 1879 and is living (December 1937) at 61, Brentham Way, Ealing, having retired a few years previously from school, teaching at Willesden. [Not in picture, daughter of John Gibbs (8)]
The Gibbs Family and the Stock ExchangeThe Foundation Stone of the Stock Exchange in Capel Court (the residence of the Lord Mayor, Sir William Capel in 1504) was laid on May 18th, 1801, and in 1802 there were 551 Members. Prior to this, transactions in Stocks and Shares had taken place in various coffee houses in the City and later in the Rotunda at the Bank of England.
William Brewer my Great Great Grandfather (born about 1770, married Susanna Maria Bolger) was in the Bank of England through the influence of his father, whose firm Brewer and Smith used to make the metal frames for the watermarks on the Bank of England Notes, supplying these frames to Portals. I enquired from Portals if they could tell me any thing about the Brewer family, and on November 9th, 1937, they wrote to me in reply as follows:-
"In reply to your letter of the 4th instant, we are afraid there is little information we can give you about the Brewer family - They were very expert mould makers, and we have some specimens of watermark paper made by Messrs. "Brewer and Smith" in 1793 which is the earliest date on which their name is recorded. Our connection with them continued until 1863. We regret not being able to give you fuller information."
William Brewer used to deal in the Rotunda. We know little else about him, but his daughter Susanah (born 1800) married John Gibbs (born 1805) and one of their children was William Bolger Gibbs (born May 10th, 1834). William Brewer also had a son Edwin J.Brewer, who was a Member of the Stock Exchange from 1825 to 1847. Edwin lived at North Brixton, and in about 1839 went into the office of his Uncle, George Gibbs (Member 1836 - 1879), the firm being known later as George Gibbs & Son, the son being George Gibbs Junior, (Member 1868 - 1884) The firm were jobbers in the Consols Market.
In 1850 George Gibbs lived at 6,St.Marys Road, Peckham (or Camberwell) and in 1856 moved to No. 20, St.Marys Road. In 1884 his address was 240, Evering Road, Clapton.
John Gibbs's son, WILLIAM BOLGER GIBBS entered his Uncle's (George Gibbs) office in 1849 and became a Member of the Stock Exchange in 1855 when he was 21 years old.
W.B.Gibbs did not get on very well with his Uncle, and after a short time left him and jobbed on his own in the Consols Market. He used to deal in Red Sea Annuities, Navy Fives, New and Reduced, Cornish Mines etc. In the year 1869 - 70 he went into partnership with R.E.Tathan, forming the firm of Gibbs & Tatham.
W.B.Gibbs lived at the following addresses:
1851 - 60 1, Bower Place, Camberwell.
1860 - 64 Portland Terrace, Clapham Road.
1865 - 72 5 Rock Terrace, Talfourd Road, Camberwell. (or Peckham)
1872 - 76 13, The Gardens, Peckham Rye.
1877 - 90 Medina Villa, Knights Hill, Norwood.
1890 - 91 Moved to Thornton, Beulah Hill, Upper Norwood.
He died at Thornton, Beulah Hill, Upper Norwood, in 1925 in his ninety-second year, and is buried in West Norwood Cemetery in the same grave as his wife, Elizabeth, (nee Nutting) who died in 1898 and his son Godfrey Faussett, who died in 1899.
W.B.Gibbs, in his early days, used to ride to the City from Camberwell, and it is interesting to recall that in a book of Rules of the Stock Exchange dated 1848, that he used to have in his possession, Rule No2 read "Members must remove their spurs before entering the Stock Exchange".
William Gibbs, eldest son of William Bolger Gibbs, entered the firm of Gibbs & Tatham as a
clerk in 1879, when he was 17 years old, and became a Member of the Stock Exchange in August, 1883, when he was 21.
|Ladd / Coffin family tree. Click to enlarge|
|Eliza and Marjorie Gibbs c. 1905. Barbar's handwriting.|
NotesSimon sent me six files:
Gibbs.jpg contains the large picture of the Gibbs family tree. I have added numbers to it which correspond to main numbers in the script.
Ladd.jpg a photo of the family tree showing ancestors of Eliza Ladd which goes back to revolutionaries in Rhode Island and Nicholas Coffin who died in 1613.
Gibbs Family Tree 1.pdf which also contains the Gibbs family tree.
Gibbs Family Tree 2.pdf which contains a rather higgledy-piggledy version of the Ladd family tree.
Gibbs Family Tree 3.pdf contains the script which is above.
Gibbs Family Tree 4.pdf contains the photo of Mrs Eliza Gibbs (née Ladd, wife of Arthur (32)) and her daughter Marjorie.
Simon has the nearest thing to originals of the family trees (A2 or larger) and script. They were probably photocopies made by Dad back in the day.
I surmise that the author of the script was my grandfather Arthur Gibbs writing in 1937 when according to Mum he had to give up work due to ill health*. At the end of the part on (14) William Bolger Gibbs the author writes "My boyhood memories of him", so the author is male. The next entry is (27) Elizabeth Nutting (Grandma Gibbs) so he was almost certainly a grandchild of that lady. He also writes "William Brewer my Great Great Grandfather". That narrows it down to Arthur or Bryan. On (45) Florence Jessie Gibbs he writes "She is living (1937)", so it was written in 1937 when he had to retire. He is obviously very interested in the London Stock Exchange where he, and many of his ancestors, worked. I think that excludes Bryan. Also from the script, I conclude that William's father (3) John Gibbs married his niece (11) Susanah Brewer and then his housekeeper.
The Gibbs family tree is signed by Arthur in 1940.
*This is on page 11 of the_keeling_family_narrative_oct_2010.pdf which Tom compiled and put on the blog in 2010.